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    Re: The Wolves of Velvet Fortune

    Quote Originally Posted by English View Post
    lol. thanks for saying this.
    Care to drop some feed my friend?

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    Re: The Wolves of Velvet Fortune

    Quote Originally Posted by Soul_Purpose View Post
    @Professor Frost here's your desired harsh critique:

    That first little run run thang was cool, coupled with the "wolves" in the title it made the piece instantly feel like a nursery rhyme/fairytale. The Brothers Grimm type, tho, not the rockabye baby shit. The Brothers Grimm had some dope story concepts and storytelling ability, so cool way to create a general atmosphere around the piece straight up. I would count this more as a "Forward" than the actual first stanza/part of a piece tho. It's that little flavour authors add to the page BEFORE the first page of the first chapter, know what I mean?

    Yesssss. That little flavor/flavour. I know exactly what you mean.

    So the piece really starts with the line "For if we should stand..." - bad way to start a piece. A sentence starting with "For" always has a preceding sentence/s that are integral to the point it is conveying. Same as when people start their shit with "And blah blah blah" - it can feel good to write like that because it feels like you're already halfway through a speech and you already have your audience's full attention, but it is BAD ENGLISH. Don't do it. It's cheap, and it cheapens your piece.

    I see what you mean on the "For" part. Thank you for the advice.


    The rhyming structure of the first stanza is all out of whack; it reads like you've tried to make shit rhyme without bothering with the structure of it. Rhymes willy-nilly. First line rhymes with halfway thru the second line, second and third lines rhyme, along with halfway thru the fourth, but the fourth line doesn't rhyme with shit, and then the last four lines rhyme?? What is this nonsense, man? You've obviously put effort into making things rhyme here and there, but without any structure to it there's really no point. Too easy, too amateurish.

    Structured rhyme schemes? I know what you mean. Thing is, I get bored with it honestly.
    For if we should stand against oppression's chute, hand in hand?
    Like a marching band, the instruments of death will shoot
    Suits will eschew our 'cock eyed views' with Popeye brutes
    Stop our shoes, from walking forth and adopt our rules
    Let's drink ourselves from debt, this holy water is the sacred procession
    The way of the leverage could stop forces of a satanist's possession
    We've waited for credit to pay off the weight of the question
    Wolves: "You paying or debit? Serve us or pray for a blessing"
    Line 1: A B A
    Line 2: A B
    Line 3: B C C
    Line 4: Slanted C...Slanted C
    Line 5: ...D
    Line 6: D...D
    Line 7: D...D
    Line 8: D...D

    There's a bit of structure in thereeee lol hahaha


    Third stanza - again no syllable structure. I won't rave on about it, but you know my thoughts on that already. Biggest problem with this stanza is you say your own name. Don't do that, man. If you use it as a metaphor or whatever like "My name is Reformation", that's interesting and cool and says something about the character in the piece. But don't snap the audience out of the piece to remind them who the author is. It's needless and interrupts the flow of reading.

    I respect your thoughts on saying my own name. I thought about it and I put it in there..not sure why to be honest lol. Just went wild with it.

    Fourth stanza - this is a great example of why I don't like OM. You don't know if you're trying to write a song, a story, or a poem, and it comes off as a bad mish-mash of the three very different writing styles. You've got the first four lines from a rap song, the next three are written more poetically, and then you've got "The tower's bell --.... *RINGS*.../"Oh shit!" - which is a writing style that really only fits prose narrative. You see what I mean? OM doesn't know what it wants to be, there's no unified writing style and it tends to just clash all the shit you like from all different sources. Sometimes it can work I guess, but in my opinion 99% of the time it doesn't. One writing style per piece, for the sake of cohesion and continuity.

    That's quite true. OM hosts a collection of literature styling in a single piece. It can be chaotic to some.

    Fifth red stanza - I liked this, despite the syllable count. Taken out of context of the rest of the piece it felt very rounded and well written. In context it skips straight from a stanza of "their"s and "them"s to a "we", which can be confusing. Try not to skip thru too many character perspectives in one piece, it makes it harder to follow.

    They = Wolves
    We = Sheep

    I gotcha on the perspectives tip SPzy.


    Sixth stanza - This feels like we're back to rhyming for rhyming's sake. Same deal as the first stanza, it's song-writing style, where you just fit whatever rolls off the tongue sounding cool together. A hard contrast to the fifth stanza, where your use of language was focused on imagery and the portrayal of a concept rather than rhyming.

    Damn you SP, why didn't you acknowledge my alliteration lines? *Screams at you* lol
    But, yes I change up styles every 'stanza' for the most part.

    Red line - not a stanza, just a break between sections. I see you've capitalised 'Velvet Sheep' - if you do this, make sure you do it everywhere in the text. You shouldn't be capitalising some times and not other times when referring to the same object/person/group. If it's 'sheep' in the text it should be 'sheep' everywhere in the text. For example, in a book the first paragraph has "The patrol officer ate lunch" while another paragraph has "Across the road she could see the Patrol Officer" - you gotta choose one way of writing it and stick with it.

    I feel you on this bro.


    Seventh stanza - As stanzas 1 and 6, the focus is on rhyming. You still manage to convey your ideas and get your story thru, which is good.

    Thank you.

    Eighth stanza/outro thang - "Without unity, all else will crumble" - since unity is not an actual identifiable object itself, what exactly does "all else" refer to? All else requires an exception; it is not the same as "all things". It is ALL ELSE OTHER THAN X. 'Without unity, all things will crumble' is a correct sentence. But all else is not. "Life is like baking a cookie: without unity's egg, all else will crumble" is a correct sentence because it gives the exception; the all else and the egg. All else requires an extra object. Unity alone cannot be that object, but you can use an object to represent it; unity's egg. I dunno if that cleared that up or made it more confusing lol.

    All else is universal. Without unity of correct building structures to balance out the pressure/stress the building hosts in the corners(especially) all else will crumble. Without unity in a neighborhood to keep peace, all else -- you see what I meant? It's a universal phrase, could be applicable to anywhere. If you wanted to take it there.

    Alright, let's recap. What you've got here is a piece with A) an interesting story concept, and B) great use of language. You write extremely well, often using uncommon words, and expertly weave them together to make unique statements and convey interesting ideas within the overall frame of your story. Unfortunately, without a solid structure or cohesive, continuous and singular writing style throughout, the piece as a whole suffers linguistically. You've got all the right materials to build a bitchin house, but you gotta get the framework right first or the whole thing's worth shit in the end.

    A good read that, with refinement, could have been a semi-professional piece worth publication. Take this feed for what you will
    .

    : ) SP, I'm so proud of you for dropping all this feed. You're the best for this. Ventured into the OM for Pro Fro. Thank you.
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    Re: The Wolves of Velvet Fortune

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Black View Post
    the great velvet death.

    lol @ dictionary. shut up dia.
    I know you better drop some feed sir.

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    Re: The Wolves of Velvet Fortune

    Damn, this was pretty dope.

    The imagery portrayed in this piece was epic, it's like I was watching a movie. The story was well-paced as well, and the vocabulary added nicely to the tone.

    There isn't much I could critique on, man. I really enjoyed this. Props.

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    Re: The Wolves of Velvet Fortune

    Quote Originally Posted by AJ the Menace View Post
    Damn, this was pretty dope.

    The imagery portrayed in this piece was epic, it's like I was watching a movie. The story was well-paced as well, and the vocabulary added nicely to the tone.

    There isn't much I could critique on, man. I really enjoyed this. Props.
    Dopeness, thanks for reading my friend -- really, I mean that. I appreciate it a lot!

    By the way, welcome to RB if you aren't an alias I already know. Hope you're enjoying the site.

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    Re: The Wolves of Velvet Fortune

    Quote Originally Posted by Professor Frost View Post
    Dopeness, thanks for reading my friend -- really, I mean that. I appreciate it a lot!

    By the way, welcome to RB if you aren't an alias I already know. Hope you're enjoying the site.
    Pm me my dude

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    Re: The Wolves of Velvet Fortune

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Iscariot View Post
    Pm me my dude
    I'll be on a good hour or two tonight. I'll toss one in your inbox son.

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    Re: The Wolves of Velvet Fortune

    Quote Originally Posted by Professor Frost View Post
    I'll be on a good hour or two tonight. I'll toss one in your inbox son.
    Haven't seen you 'round these parts lately, Senator.

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    Re: The Wolves of Velvet Fortune

    Quote Originally Posted by The Great Father View Post
    Haven't seen you 'round these parts lately, Senator.
    My apologies brethren, I have a goal to return and partake in multiple leagues. I need to get active again, not writing has started this terrible new habit. I have bad anger problems now. I use to eloquently deal with situations through progressive vocal communication. Now...recently. I punched a hole in a wall out of anger. I've gotta say, ever since I started writing I haven't had a fist fight yet. I need to get back on RB, I really do.

    I feel like a drunk at an AA meeting telling his sad story lol.

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    Re: The Wolves of Velvet Fortune

    You've been missed Professor.
    Come back.

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    Re: The Wolves of Velvet Fortune

    Quote Originally Posted by Emilyinthepool View Post
    You've been missed Professor.
    Come back.
    We'll see what happens, my Lifeguard.

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    Re: The Wolves of Velvet Fortune

    Quote Originally Posted by zonez View Post
    Read this a couple times, then read it aloud. Helps to convey the message when read aloud. No dictionary was needed except for the word alacrity. I like these portions especially:

    "Cause a true artist can play
    With the settings" ... so very true. And you 'played' with the 'setting' of this piece quite well...

    "Snipers with Pinocchio noses close down the booths
    Nobody’s phoning back home, this zone is the coupe
    Let's reuse unproven theories to beat truth
    Let’s go & let’s go back, retract & regroup
    Rendezvous by the nearest church’s wings,
    The people crowd the aisles, the owlish choir sings,
    With their frigid & rigid teeth chattering
    The tower’s bell --....*RINGS*...
    "Oh shit!", they destroyed the steeple; scattering,
    The building. Resonating smoke, resonating with deep pattering
    This is the recipe of life's crossover, you feel defeat's patterning
    This movie had a 'behind the scenes' that battered the filming
    High velocities of ammunition shattered the ceiling
    Children prance with loud calls like disoriented deployed seagulls
    Tanks pound missile twin-strikes like heroin addicts with conjoined needles
    Silence fell upon them all..the glass shards fluttered down into stairs, so lush~ ..
    ..CRUSHED FLAIRS OF DUST, compress the air's rust like sin-spiked cylinders of diesel
    Fresh crates of Sacred Scriptures spill out of shelves to vacant listeners
    One of them shouted out for divine action from the great brothers & amazing sisters,
    “Let us praise to sinners!!!!!...” " ... this whole section, I was in awe. The first 2 bars I can't get enough of. Also the
    Sacred Scriptures line, amazing multi syllable magic. This is probably my favorite
    section though its hard to choose since the whole thing is top notch lyricism. Oh and
    the last line seems to have typo, should be 'let us give praise to sinners'?...

    "Burning of biblical chapters, teaming with screams of physical raptures
    These sheep howled to heaven’s hollow moon, to trigger some ability
    The herd's cries went unheard; this revelation caused a mental massacre..." ... I read my bible a lot(not religious but
    very spirtual) and these lines jumped out
    and grabbed me by the heart...

    "An overcast of cataclysmic ebony has brought sun
    It's ravishing rays of remedy, answering songs sung
    We aimed for mercy, at the edge of our tongue
    -Murdering of suffering-, here we come, here we come" ... if you can't tell by now I am a big fan of short lines.
    Especially when they are more descriptive than long, drawn
    out, multi syllable, on and on, well you get the point. These
    lines read aloud quite well might I add...

    "Their paws dug deep into the snow, this was the everglade
    The pack moved swiftly, together they forever stayed
    The woodlands that surround them, prone to decadence
    Winter has moved in, removed their home’s dressed essence
    A pressed presence, has begin to haunt their broken souls
    Not a single inch of snow yet they felt icy fear; frozen cold
    The chosen fold up like cautious gamers of high stake poker
    The balances of peace; the wolves would lie, rape & choke her
    Both sides are dead, essentially; who is next? What's your grazed affinity?
    Do you worship a deity? 1 or 3? & mouth devout praise to infinity?
    What about me? I'm just your story's narrator, searching signatures of synergies
    Cursive galaxies swirl into well-refined conditioners of energies
    I mock the locked treasures of the higher place, you all desire taste
    But your want for more...and more...and more... has blocked pleasures
    The false wings you drew from the church's haven was just stocked feathers
    Now you'll see a perspective-full that is on the peripherals of your spectacle
    If this fortune hasn't satisfied your hunger, you'll find the universe to be delectable"
    ... first and last bars were delectable, no pun intended. The deity line did not read well aloud, this is the only I would
    say needs modification. Perhaps 'Do you worship a deity? 1, maybe 3? Mouth giving devout praise to infinity?'...

    "Without unity all else will crumble.
    When will the sheep learn.
    Maybe when the skies fall, the ground stumbles
    & the flames of deep burn" ... of course I liked this part. Although replacing 'stumbles' with rumbles might make more
    sense.

    I greatly enjoyed reading, re-reading and dissecting this piece thank you for referring me to do. Hope that my input has helped here and look forward to reading more of your work.
    I appreciate the time you put in to read & leave top-notch feed, by the way.
    Can't thank you enough because you pointed out a lot of accurate things. Such as some grey areas of grammar & even highlighting some of the lyricism I worked on. God Bless & get more active in SS when you get a chance.

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    Re: The Wolves of Velvet Fortune

    Quote Originally Posted by Emilyinthepool View Post
    Professor Frost, your piece here is action packed and full, I mean FULL of imagery.
    There’s so much detail helping the atmosphere.
    That detail is off the Richter.

    I like the way it opens …

    “Run, run, run run run
    Here they come…Here they come...
    Run, run, run run run
    Here they come…Here they come...
    Run, run, run run run
    Here they come…Here they come...
    Run, run, run run run.....
    .....Here they come” ----------check that build!

    Then, the story plays out. It’s strong in content, and linguistically.
    I like the multis, and the rhymes. I would have liked more rhymes from you though.
    It didn’t flow religiously through-out, but still had an individual beat that goes onto a new individual beat.

    I thought you had a lot of emotion in this.

    There was a lot going on and with the exceptional playing of words, it’s just so full on.


    My favourite lines:

    “Let's drink ourselves from debt, this holy water is the sacred procession
    The way of the leverage could stop forces of a satanist's possession
    We've waited for credit to pay off the weight of the question
    Wolves: "You paying or debit? Serve us or pray for a blessing"

    “never thought
    I could see the elevator of hell”

    “Let's reuse unproven theories to beat truth
    Let’s go & let’s go back, retract & regroup”

    “Rendezvous by the nearest church’s wings,
    The people crowd the aisles, the owlish choir sings,
    With their frigid & rigid teeth chattering
    The tower’s bell --....*RINGS*...
    "Oh shit!", they destroyed the steeple; scattering,
    The building. Resonating smoke, resonating with deep pattering
    This is the recipe of life's crossover, you feel defeat's patterning”

    “Silence fell upon them all..the glass shards fluttered down into stairs, so lush~ ..
    ..CRUSHED FLAIRS OF DUST, compress the air's rust like sin-spiked cylinders of diesel
    Fresh crates of Sacred Scriptures spill out of shelves to vacant listeners
    One of them shouted out for divine action from the great brothers & amazing sisters,
    “Let us praise to sinners!!!!!...”


    There’s actually too much I like for me to quote.
    The imagery gets me all cut up and I could quote nearly every line, but I won’t.

    I’ll just end with this. This ending rocks.

    “Without unity all else will crumble.
    When will the sheep learn.
    Maybe when the skies fall, the ground stumbles
    & the flames of deep burn”



    Great work Professor, people like me, look up to your talent.
    Look up to your imagery and vocab, and admire your gift.

    Great read.
    Emily, thanks for the nomination of this - As well as the other piece of mine that you read. I appreciate that to the fullest & I felt the need to extend some gratitude towards you. You deserve it for being one reader on RB that always gives my work a chance & a piece of mind.

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    Re: The Wolves of Velvet Fortune

    Ok.. I liked this in a lot of aspects and disliked it in others. I think my main disliking was a:the content and b:the way it seemed so scattered. I don't know if it was the way you broke off and did the little short paragraphs that threw me off or what happened. I read this twice and still I couldn't decide why I wasn't into the way others were as far as calling it one of the best pieces ever. The concepts were ill in areas.. but as a whole it really fucked me up trying to piece together wth was going on

    Seems like you have a lot of good mechanics but at times they would fall off a little bit.. which I just gave you reasonable doubt in those areas because a lot of times what people don't realize is that pronunciation differences can make a piece read really choppy like say for instance(hypothetically) that your from ireland and I'm in maryland.. the way a word sounds coming from your mouth is always gonna be different coming from my mouth. So in that sence you get benefiet of the doubt that this all rhymes 100% smooth and its just a difference in pronunciation. Otherwise I'm just stuck on the whole catergory you chose to rhyme about. Not to take away from comments that have already been posted.. but I dissagree that this was one of the greatest ever. Perhaps one of the greatest that you yourself have ever written.. but by far not one of the greatest I have ever read. No hate. I just beg to differ. Still felt this was an interesting read. And I will definitely check it out again when I have time. Thanks. 1

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    Re: The Wolves of Velvet Fortune

    Quote Originally Posted by Genocide View Post
    Ok.. I liked this in a lot of aspects and disliked it in others. I think my main disliking was a:the content and b:the way it seemed so scattered. I don't know if it was the way you broke off and did the little short paragraphs that threw me off or what happened. I read this twice and still I couldn't decide why I wasn't into the way others were as far as calling it one of the best pieces ever. The concepts were ill in areas.. but as a whole it really fucked me up trying to piece together wth was going on

    Seems like you have a lot of good mechanics but at times they would fall off a little bit.. which I just gave you reasonable doubt in those areas because a lot of times what people don't realize is that pronunciation differences can make a piece read really choppy like say for instance(hypothetically) that your from ireland and I'm in maryland.. the way a word sounds coming from your mouth is always gonna be different coming from my mouth. So in that sence you get benefiet of the doubt that this all rhymes 100% smooth and its just a difference in pronunciation. Otherwise I'm just stuck on the whole catergory you chose to rhyme about. Not to take away from comments that have already been posted.. but I dissagree that this was one of the greatest ever. Perhaps one of the greatest that you yourself have ever written.. but by far not one of the greatest I have ever read. No hate. I just beg to differ. Still felt this was an interesting read. And I will definitely check it out again when I have time. Thanks. 1
    Thanks for reading it my friend. I understand where you are coming from on this 100%. It was a rushed verse that I tweaked on some of the words after posting here in the OM. The concepts and moral values are what I like about this piece. The majority of people liked it for what it was worth for them; however, the critical reviews show a more close detail to the organization and such. I appreciate all of the readers I attract/attracted with this. I am just proud to have something that stuck out in 1 way or another.

    The confusion in this piece just maybe, just maaaybe reflects the confusion of death. The confusion of life and what the wolves of our time shall do with the sheep. And vice versa.
    Life is hectic and time waits for no man.
    *stoner face* lol

    Thanks for the feed Geno. God Bless.

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