Boehner vs. Obama before Aug. 3

[ICWutUDidThur]

Welp. There was a debt-ceiling agreement. You guys happy with it? I aint.

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[King]

First of all, long video but majority of it is Obama.
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This proves what I said about Obama's take that he will agree to stop spending like such a radical fucker with the biggest credit card on earth if and only if we majorly tax $250,000+ income people every year. He uses a bunch of words and ignores the Republican side (as expected) to appeal to the poor (the majority).

Click this link to see an article showing that mathematically, Obama will vastly out-spend George Bush even without having to start wars.

Turns out that most people who own decent businesses (AND ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT HIRE 3-4 or MORE PEOPLE) make over $250,000 a year. Which is exactly why the Republican argument, under Boehner, says we cannot tax these businesses. They will lay off workers simply to balance their own personal budgets and by laying off workers, the businesses will not be able to sell as many products because even less people will have money.

first of all Obama's "radical" spending stopped the country from going into a depression. the private sector was in free fall, and were NOT going to save themselves. i'm glad you mention FDR and the depression, because it counters your own argument. FDRs spending is what got us out of that depression, the Hoover Dam being the biggest and most common example. since obama took office, the number of jobs created is approaching 2 million. you don't get there by making cuts, you have to spend.

as for this recent debt ceiling debate, raising the debt ceiling was never actually in debate, meaning there was 0 chance it wouldn't happen. blocking it was a leverage tool for republicans to force obama to agree to certain cuts. which imo, and apparently most of americas opinion, was extremely childish.

and you're statement of obama wanting to "majorly" tax the $250,000+ income bracket sounds like some fox news rhetoric. all the democrats are looking to do is eliminate the Bush tax cuts and go back to what it was before, which is a whopping monumental jump of...dun dun dunnnnn....3%. i'm not a democrat and i'm not a republican, i think the two-party system that we use is catastrophically flawed, but a logical thinking person has to admit the republicans are being ridiculous on the tax argument.

[Nohbody]

first of all Obama's "radical" spending stopped the country from going into a depression. the private sector was in free fall, and were NOT going to save themselves.

thats the problem with america in the first place. . the bail outs were bullshit GM and all the other big companies should have fell on their faces.

Ford didnt need bailouts. .

and you're statement of obama wanting to "majorly" tax the $250,000+ income bracket sounds like some fox news rhetoric. all the democrats are looking to do is eliminate the Bush tax cuts and go back to what it was before, which is a whopping monumental jump of...dun dun dunnnnn....3%. i'm not a democrat and i'm not a republican, i think the two-party system that we use is catastrophically flawed, but a logical thinking person has to admit the republicans are being ridiculous on the tax argument.

he wants to increase the tax of 170k (not 250k) incomes to pay for Obama Care. As it sits right now, if we collectively took all the currency in the entire worlds and added it all up it wouldn't pay for America's current dept.

So what does a broke country do when its on the verge of economical meltdown??? Pull 680 billion out of its ass to fund a socialist health system that the majority of Americans don't even want.

In the end, everyone will be shafted so we all just need to accept it now and move on. . .

- War on Drugs. . .and im talking about ALL drugs should be ended.

- Government drug laws, control, and agencies need to be terminated. The government is no place to police such laws. Let the States handle them at STATE LEVEL

- Social Security needs banished

- Medicaid - needs banished

- Major cuts need to be made to military

- Federal Reserve needs banished

- Foreign trade policies needs a complete over haul

- Welfare System needs tight regulations, require random drug testing for applicants, . . .I honestly wouldnt mind seeing it banished as well

- We need competing currencies

. . . actually, none of this will ever happen. You leave anything up to the government and it turns to shit.

Im at the point where i think this country needs a good old fashion revolution

[ImYoBossNegra]

^ King, respond

[King]

thats the problem with america in the first place. . the bail outs were bullshit GM and all the other big companies should have fell on their faces.

Ford didnt need bailouts. .



he wants to increase the tax of 170k (not 250k) incomes to pay for Obama Care. As it sits right now, if we collectively took all the currency in the entire worlds and added it all up it wouldn't pay for America's current dept.

So what does a broke country do when its on the verge of economical meltdown??? Pull 680 billion out of its ass to fund a socialist health system that the majority of Americans don't even want.

we agree on a lot of things. but the tax cuts need to end. its simple budget management, if we are going to stop a deficit, the increased revenues have to be part of the equation. its ignorant and selfish for republicans to fight against that as they have.

as far as the health care is concerned, Mass has had an almost identical system for a little while now and that state is thriving. they don't have the money issues that the country does, and 98% of their residents have health care. so its clearly not as devastating as some would make it seem. i would also like to see what stat you're basing the statement that the "majority of americans" don't want it. it bothers me that people are so violently opposed to helping people.

but i agree about the war on drugs, the defense spending, less federal policing, and welfare. medicaid, idk i don't think i've versed myself well enough in how much it costs us, what it does, and so on for me to really speak on it. like i said, i'm not party orientated at all, i think both sides are right on different issues. its the childish clashing between the two that is fucking the country up, so to speak.

[Nohbody]

as far as the health care is concerned, Mass has had an almost identical system for a little while now and that state is thriving. they don't have the money issues that the country does, and 98% of their residents have health care. so its clearly not as devastating as some would make it seem. i would also like to see what stat you're basing the statement that the "majority of americans" don't want it. it bothers me that people are so violently opposed to helping people

And thats fine, let the STATES worry about how they want to regulate and administer healthcare. You see what happened with SSI and now you want to put health care into the governments hands? And let me ask you this. . . with socialized health care adds a decline to specialized health practices. When a child is born with brain tumors, neural damages, or deformities. . . take a look at how many people move, or seek medical treatment outside of the state. Canadians are good with healthcare, when it comes to a broken bone, or giving birth. . . but even Canadians come to America for specialized health care! Know why? Doctors dont want shitty government pay, or to have their incomes regulated by a government institution. They will literally pack up and just go work in a privatized health-care system to make a better living.

but i agree about the war on drugs, the defense spending, less federal policing, and welfare. medicaid, idk i don't think i've versed myself well enough in how much it costs us, what it does, and so on for me to really speak on it. like i said, i'm not party orientated at all, i think both sides are right on different issues. its the childish clashing between the two that is fucking the country up, so to speak.

and yes. .yet people like Ron Paul who dont have their heads up their asses will never get elected because they will have no Lobbyist support

[King]

And thats fine, let the STATES worry about how they want to regulate and administer healthcare. You see what happened with SSI and now you want to put health care into the governments hands? And let me ask you this. . . with socialized health care adds a decline to specialized health practices. When a child is born with brain tumors, neural damages, or deformities. . . take a look at how many people move, or seek medical treatment outside of the state. Canadians are good with healthcare, when it comes to a broken bone, or giving birth. . . but even Canadians come to America for specialized health care! Know why? Doctors dont want shitty government pay, or to have their incomes regulated by a government institution. They will literally pack up and just go work in a privatized health-care system to make a better living.



and yes. .yet people like Ron Paul who dont have their heads up their asses will never get elected because they will have no Lobbyist support

tbh, i'd have to look more into how it effects the specialized health practices. i thought it would leave those untouched but maybe i misunderstood.

as far as lobbyists go, yea they have way too much influence. it boggles my mind that lobbying is legal. basically, whatever cause has the most money behind it will have the most influence.

[Nohbody]

honestly, our healthcare system isnt broken. Our regulations on HealthCare and and regulations on health care providers is whats broken.

[ImYoBossNegra]

you know what else is fucking broken? Mr. Bitch-ass up there who thinks spending a ton of fucking money and printing more is going to put money in anyone's pockets.

It's one thing to spend money out the ass to carry the weight of poor people,

It's another thing to cut all the weight-carrying and start creating jobs. Which is what I recommended. Which is what FDR finally ended up doing, after he realized that spending a ton of fucking money and investing all of it in making everyone a lazy ass mofo doesn't really get anything done in the world except break everyone's bank.

simple.shit.you.dumb.

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now there's only one set of ways out of our debt.. and Ron Paul outlined a lot of those ways.... which is why i support him so much and am hoping you guys start to also...

my biggest thing when appealing to peeps on RapBattles.com, is typically the old "Ron Paul is the first politician to propose a Bill in Congress which supports the legalization of Marijuana, and he's a doctor".

[Nohbody]

my biggest thing when appealing to peeps on RapBattles.com, is typically the old "Ron Paul is the first politician to propose a Bill in Congress which supports the legalization of Marijuana, and he's a doctor".

its not that he wants to legalize Marijuana, he just wants to stop spending on the war against, and remove Government and government agencies from policing drugs.

He wants to give power to each state, and let them vote on weather or not drugs should be legal. Which is how it should be.

Not only for pot, but for any type of drug.

If Alabama wanted to make crack legal. . DO IT. . let all the crack heads move there and kill them selves.

no reason to pour 680billion dollars a year into fighting it. Prohibition failed with alcohol and it has been failing with drugs for a long time now

all drug laws do anyway is protect the cartels who bring the shit in to the country.

[King]

fuck it

[ImYoBossNegra]

If the jobs don't bring in the nation's income for taxing, the government goes further into the hole.

[Nohbody]

If the jobs don't bring in the nation's income for taxing, the government goes further into the hole.

so shrink government and put the money back in the peoples pocket

heres some statistics

Average - $48o billion per/ year spent on welfare
$90billion of that is spent on illegal immigrants

$682 billion per/year spent on "war on drugs"
$48 billion is spent fighting marijuana alone

Public Education - $500 billion

Money spent on war since Busch Administration
$1,230,xxx,xxx,xxxx and rising

Americas national dept - $20 trillion

so this. . .



x20

[King]

its 14 trillion, but hey who's counting? lol

and i'm pretty sure it was already at 10 trillion when obama took office.

[ImYoBossNegra]

Ikr?

Lol @ 4 tril in 2 and a half years.

dudes a monster at spending and creating jobs.

From 4.4% unemployed in late 2006 to 9% in 2009 to 9.8% back to 9.3% etc.

a whopping .5% from all this massive spending! V/ Barack Obama for Prez