America Losing Faith in Obama?

[phlymo]

this national deficit thing is crazy, Obama spending trillions like they was billions. i swear you give a black dude a grip of money and power and they use all irresponsibly, like rappers who buy shitloads of bling, and other useless items just throwing around money. The only difference is that Obama's endless spending effects eeryone, especially future genrations. smh

Except if it works as they hope it will, it will benefit those future generations. So, leaving aside your presumably sarcastic racism, it's not a particular appropriate charge in the first place.

Whether the spend-the-way-out plan will work or not, i don't know. But some people obviously believe it will. The intent behind it is for the benefit of the country, he doesn't just want to be frivolous with a load of cash. It's like the healthcare thing - Obama wants public healthcare, why? So he can help the less fortunate? Well, duh. But for some, there simply must be an ulterior motive. In the case of healthcare, it's because he wants to plot to secretly euthanize the elderly. Of course!

[DGK]

kinda racist homie.

it's ridiculous to think you're going to get out of a recession without spending any money.

you have to spend some money, but it needs to be spent more wisely imo, and less of it. your gonna be heated when your $ ain't worth 1/2 what it was in the future and everyone will be cursing Obama for ruining the value of our currency and he will go down as the worst president, in terms of spending policy. we have barely seen any improvement, and we already spendt a grip, so fuck Obama. yah, i said it.

[DGK]

Except if it works as they hope it will, it will benefit those future generations. So, leaving aside your presumably sarcastic racism, it's not a particular appropriate charge in the first place.

Whether the spend-the-way-out plan will work or not, i don't know. But some people obviously believe it will. The intent behind it is for the benefit of the country, he doesn't just want to be frivolous with a load of cash. It's like the healthcare thing - Obama wants public healthcare, why? So he can help the less fortunate? Well, duh. But for some, their simply must be an ulterior motive. In the case of healthcare, it's because he wants to plot to secretly euthanize the elderly. Of course!

lol, who knows. yah free health care is dope, but its sorta like socialism, and once again he wants to spend a shitload of money and not raise taxes to do it. to have free healthcare would cost so much extra moeny a year, and will just inflate the currency. it jsut seems strange that no other president has tried to do this, and maybe there is a good reason... cuz its not economical.

[Brother Blue Collar]

lol, who knows. yah free health care is dope, but its sorta like socialism, and once again he wants to spend a shitload of money and not raise taxes to do it. to have free healthcare would cost so much extra moeny a year, and will just inflate the currency. it jsut seems strange that no other president has tried to do this, and maybe there is a good reason... cuz its not economical.

what's so bad about socialism?

really?

besides it being deemed non-america?

i really wanna know someone enlight me?

our dollars become less due to economy not due to the president's spending.

[doesnotexist]

loloolol @ the black guy spends

as opposed to the white guys who PUT YOU IN THE CRISIS

[phlymo]

lol, who knows. yah free health care is dope, but its sorta like socialism, and once again he wants to spend a shitload of money and not raise taxes to do it. to have free healthcare would cost so much extra moeny a year, and will just inflate the currency. it jsut seems strange that no other president has tried to do this, and maybe there is a good reason... cuz its not economical.

The socialism comparison is just silly imo. You have a million and one things in place in your country already that are 'sorta like socialism'. They would never be taken away, because the country benefits from them every day. People would fight to keep those things, because they have fought to have them put in place. The 'Socialism' cry is a bullshit tactic to scare a country that still shits itself any time anyone mentions communism. If free helthcare is 'dope', judge it on that.

And there have been presidents fighting for healthcare reform for decades and decades. This is nothing new.

But let's follow the logic you used, and make the opposite argument based on something that is actually true: America is the only developed capitalist country with a private healthcare system in place. Every other developed capitalist country has a public healthcare system in place, and as far as I know, none is seeking to return to a private system. Maybe there is a good reason?

Lastly, regarding the cost. America currently spends more on healthcare than any of the universal systems of other countries. If you weigh them up, public systems cost a hell of a lot less. Whether the US can manage to manage to replicate these much lower costs is the big question.

Based on all i have learnt of this subject, I definitely support healthcare reform. I would also hate to see the UK adopt a private system, but it isn't even a debate here. People support the NHS. I still don't know enough about the topic, but i've seen a lot of arguments against a universal system and none has convinced me. A lot have been based on outright lies and scare tactics, and all the valid ones that i have seen have been countered to my satisfaction.

Whatever the US does, it just needs to be feasible. If they can make reform feasible, i'm well behind it.

[Menace II Society]

loloolol @ the black guy spends

as opposed to the white guys who PUT YOU IN THE CRISIS

He doesn't look at those facts. He's an ignorant racist piece of shit with a one sided mind. "Blame the black guy". Faggot..

[Mr W.Rite]

The socialism comparison is just silly imo. You have a million and one things in place in your country already that are 'sorta like socialism'. They would never be taken away, because the country benefits from them every day. People would fight to keep those things, because they have fought to have them put in place. The 'Socialism' cry is a bullshit tactic to scare a country that still shits itself any time anyone mentions communism. If free helthcare is 'dope', judge it on that.

And there have been presidents fighting for healthcare reform for decades and decades. This is nothing new.

But let's follow the logic you used, and make the opposite argument based on something that is actually true: America is the only developed capitalist country with a private healthcare system in place. Every other developed capitalist country has a public healthcare system in place, and as far as I know, none is seeking to return to a private system. Maybe there is a good reason?

Lastly, regarding the cost. America currently spends more on healthcare than any of the universal systems of other countries. If you weigh them up, public systems cost a hell of a lot less. Whether the US can manage to manage to replicate these much lower costs is the big question.

Based on all i have learnt of this subject, I definitely support healthcare reform. I would also hate to see the UK adopt a private system, but it isn't even a debate here. People support the NHS. I still don't know enough about the topic, but i've seen a lot of arguments against a universal system and none has convinced me. A lot have been based on outright lies and scare tactics, and all the valid ones that i have seen have been countered to my satisfaction.

Whatever the US does, it just needs to be feasible. If they can make reform feasible, i'm well behind it.

Its ashamed that someone that doesnt even live in this country understands politics in the country more than the average american, or at least more than your average RB member LOL. But i also have to assume that RB members are from all over the world.

But i digress..


well said though Phlymo, i couldnt have said it better myself... what people are missing is how healthcare reform will save this country money in the long run. Yes it cost to start a program of this scale. But is no reason not to do it. People that love their insurance can keep it, according to the plan Obama has proposed. I dont understand what is so wrong about that. For those that are tired of the insurance companies raping them and then NOT covering them after paying premiums forever just so they can make a profit want the option to have the govt insure their health. Its competition, what wrong with competition, if the insurance companies are so perfect then, they dont have anything to worry about right. All these insurance company advocates at these townhalls who love their health insurance will keep these companies in business. We dont have to worry about a certain portion of the population they will absolutely refuse to let the govt give them coverage. Well until they get dropped for having some condition the insurance company doesnt cover. I guess these people will have to have something taken away from them (their job, their insurance coverage, or even worse their ability to work because of illness) before they realize that the proposals put forward can help them in the future..

[DGK]

its funny how if i called George Bush a honkey no1 would give a shit. And its sorta makes my point valid cuz Baracks the 1st Black President, has already spent more $ than any other president in history, and the other 43 presidents were white. an1 who thinks you can spend your way out of a recession. just wait till inflation starts up, after the funding stops and those busineess that were porpped up by stimlulus money start going back to their previous state, and then evertyhing will double in price, and then no1 will buy shit cuz its too expensive and then it will worsen the economy. you think taking 78 trillion out is not going to have any effect on the currency value. and its way eaiser to sepnd 78 tril than it it is to make that money back. smh

[DGK]

if you really want to continue making this a race issue, i could just go ahead and ban you right now.

i'm just making an observation, i'm not saying all black people are the same, every person is there own person, not a race. its more of a generalization, not racism, but i won't bring it up again.

[DGK]

you might want to look at the history of this type of reform in America if you think no one else has tried. from FDR to today there has been people who tried to introduce some type of option

http://healthcare.change.org/blog/vi...th_care_part_1

we are the only country in the world with out some type public option. To act like it's economic suicide is wrong. our current system isn't exactly the greatest economically.

thats link is sorta interesting, its like all the presidents attempts at healthcare reform sort of paved the way for Lyndon Johnson's health care reform measures. Each president sorta learned formt he effect of each others policies and tried to improve on it.

[Mr W.Rite]

try this link
kinda simplifies things

[phlymo]

i'm just making an observation, i'm not saying all black people are the same, every person is there own person, not a race. its more of a generalization, not racism, but i won't bring it up again.

I hate most black people. It's not racism, one of my friends is black. It's rest of them that are the trouble. Everyone is their own person, just most of them dark ones just seem to be wankers. It's more of a generalization, not racism.

Are you serious? If so, you're an idiot. Wow.

[DGK]

I hate most black people. It's not racism, one of my friends is black. It's rest of them that are the trouble. Everyone is their own person, just most of them dark ones just seem to be wankers. It's more of a generalization, not racism.

Are you serious? If so, you're an idiot. Wow.

watch any Chris Rock stand up, and you would say he's racist, or any stand up comic who cracks jokes about racial Stereotypes, Carlos Mencia, Lisa Lamponelli, most of the Comedy Central network is racist then. fuck it. lol

[phlymo]

watch any Chris Rock stand up, and you would say he's racist, or any stand up comic who cracks jokes about racial Stereotypes, Carlos Mencia, Lisa Lamponelli, most of the Comedy Central network is racist then. fuck it. lol

Well, you weren't actually cracking a joke. You claimed you were making an 'observation' which was rooted in bullshit. But still - the comedy thing is a tricky issue, and one i can't get my head fully around myself. But there is, in my opinion (but i accept others disagree), a difference between a disprivileged minority making racial jokes and a historically privileged and still privileged majority making similar jokes. There is simply more at stake in one case, but it's complicated.

Anyway, i'm not sure why I went off lol. Apologies for that, it was unnecessary. It was the generalisation thing that got me.