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    Bailout plan rejected

    NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The fate of the Bush administration's $700 billion financial bailout plan was abruptly thrown in doubt Monday as a House vote turned against the controversial measure.

    The next steps were not immediately clear but supporters were scrambling to put it up for another vote.

    What was supposed to be a 15-minute vote stretched past the half-hour mark as leadership scrambled for support.

    Investors who had been counting on the rescue plan sent the Dow Jones industrial average down as much as 700 points while watching the measure come up short of the necessary support, before rebounding slightly. The key stock reading was down more than 500 points.

    The measure needs 218 votes for passage, but it came up 13 votes short of that target, as the final vote was 228 to 205 against. About 60% of Democrats voted for the measure, but less than a third of Republicans backed it.

    President Bush is "very disappointed" by the House vote, his spokesman Tony Fratto said.

    A four-hour debate included impassioned pleas for and against the measure from Democrats and Republicans alike. Even some of those arguing the legislation must be approved were quick to point out problems with it.

    But in the end, the vote began with both Democratic and Republican leadership telling their members the only way to protect the economy from a spreading credit crunch was to vote for the difficult to swallow measure.

    "Our time has run out," said Rep. Spencer Bachus, the ranking Republican on the House Financial Services Committee. "We're going make a decision. There are no other choices, no other alternatives."

    The vote comes after lawmakers and the Bush administration finalized legislation following a weekend of high-stakes negotiations over the controversial measure, which is designed to get battered U.S. credit markets working normally again.

    "Today is the decision day," said Barney Frank, D-Mass., on the House floor. "If we defeat this bill today, it will be a very bad day for the financial sector of the American economy and the people who will feel the pain are not the top bankers and top corporate executives but average Americans."

    House Minority Leader John Boehner told his members, many of whom objected the measure, that the had accept something he and many of them found distasteful.

    "If I didn't think we were on the brink of an economic disaster it would be the easiest thing to say no to this," Boehner said. But he said lawmakers needed to do what was in the best interest of the country.

    Leading House Republicans signed on to the proposal on Sunday after expressing earlier reservations. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Sunday he hoped for a vote in that chamber by Wednesday at the latest.

    Earlier on Monday, President Bush and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke hailed the measure and urged Congress to move quickly to pass it.

    Bush, speaking at the White House, called the proposed measure "an extraordinary agreement to deal with an extraordinary problem." He said he is confident the measure will win bipartisan support.

    "With this strong and decisive legislation, we will help restart the flow of credit so American families can meet their daily needs and American businesses can make purchases, ship goods and meet their payrolls," Bush said.

    Bush acknowledged that many voters were opposed to helping out Wall Street with tax dollars, but said there is little choice to move forward with the plan. He said most if not all of the tax money spent to buy distressed mortgage-backed securities should be recouped when the Treasury sells them in the coming years.

    "Every member of Congress and every American should keep in mind - a vote for this bill is a vote to prevent economic damage to you and your community," Bush said.

    Bernanke, who had spent hours before Congress last week testifying in favor of the measure, issued a brief statement promising that it would restore the flow of credit to households and businesses. "I look forward to swift passage of the legislation," he said.
    Buying troubled assets

    The core of the bill is based on Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson's request for authority to purchase troubled assets from financial institutions so banks can resume lending and so the credit markets, now virtually frozen, can begin to operate more normally.

    But Democrats and Republicans - concerned about the potential cost - have added several conditions and restrictions to protect taxpayers on the down side and give them a chance at some of the potential upside if the companies benefit from the plan.

    Key negotiators for the financial rescue plan were e busy trying to line up votes on Capitol Hill on Sunday. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., told CNN he believes a majority of representatives on both sides of the aisle can and will support the bill.

    On Sunday evening, the House Republican working group, which stringently opposed earlier drafts of the plan and offered a counterproposal, indicated it would support the bill, and its members are encouraging other Republicans in the House to do the same.

    "Nobody wants to have to support this bill, but it's a bill that we believe will avert the crisis that's out there," House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, told reporters.

    But the bill did draw some opposition during the morning debate.

    Rep. John Culberson, R-Texas, said the measure would leave a huge burden on taxpayers. "This legislation is giving us a choice between bankrupting our children and bankrupting a few of these big financial institutions on Wall Street that made bad decisions," he said.

    Other conservative Republicans argued the bill would be a blow against economic freedom.

    Thaddeus McCotter, R-Mich., said the bill posed a choice between the loss of prosperity in the short term or economic freedom in the long term. He said once the federal government enters the financial market place, it will not leave. "The choice is stark," he said.

    But there were also Democrats who opposed the bill for not doing enough to help those who taxpayers facing foreclosure or needing unemployment benefits extended, or taxing Wall Street to pay for the rescue package.

    "Like the Iraq war and patriot act, this bill is fueled by fear and haste," said Lloyd Doggett, D-Texas.
    The crisis and a proposed fix

    Banks and Wall Street firms, worried about both their own needs for cash and the condition of other institutions, essentially stopped loaning money to one another in recent weeks. That choked off the money being made available on Main Street in the form of mortgage loans, business loans and other consumer borrowing.

    The crisis stems from problems in mortgage-backed securities, which saw their value plunge as home prices have gone into their worst slide since the Great Depression and foreclosures have soared to record levels. In turn, the market for trillion of dollars worth of those securities held by major firms evaporated, sending them down to fire sale prices and raising the risk of widespread failures among the nation's major financial firms.

    Under the plan, Treasury will buy the mortgage backed securities, either directly from the firms or through an auction process. It may also arrange to provide guarantees for the securities up to their original values in return for premiums they would charge current holders of the securities.

    To make the legislation more politically palatable, the bill calls for the government, as an owner of a large number of mortgage securities, to exert influence on loan servicers to modify more troubled loans to help prevent additional foreclosures. It also provides that the government will take equity in the firms that sell the securities to the government, and limits pay packages for top executives.

    The legislation comes amid great upheaval in the nation's financial system. On Monday morning, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., which insures deposits at failed banks, arranged for the sale of the banking assets of Wachovia (WB, Fortune 500), the nation's No. 4 bank holding company, to Citigroup (C, Fortune 500) for $2.2 billion in stock.

    That follows three weeks of other shocks: the Treasury Department's seizure of mortgage finance firms Fannie Mae (FNM, Fortune 500) and Freddie Mac (FRE, Fortune 500); Wall Street firm Lehman Brothers' bankruptcy filing; rival Merrill Lynch (MER, Fortune 500) purchase by Bank of America (BAC, Fortune 500).

    In addition, the Fed bailed out insurance giant American International Group (AIG, Fortune 500), loaning it $85 billion in return for a nearly 80% stake. while Washington Mutual (WM, Fortune 500), the nation's largest savings and loan, became the largest bank failure in history

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    Re: Bailout plan rejected

    Its like, You want to say it's good it wasnt voted in...But at the same time, a plan is needed and the stocks going down that much frighten us into wanting it.
    haha, this entire thing sucks.

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    Re: Bailout plan rejected

    The stock market is currently down 700 points and the day hasn't closed yet.
    Hence Forward
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    Re: Bailout plan rejected

    When I'm done with school, I might to go to Canada... Like, I'm dead serious.
    Maybe england! Oh! I loved england! Lived there for a year. It was great!

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    Re: Bailout plan rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by Spoken Deity View Post
    When I'm done with school, I might to go to Canada... Like, I'm dead serious.
    Maybe england! Oh! I loved england! Lived there for a year. It was great!
    word?..i was thinking bout heading over seas as well...

    maybe back to Puerto Rico

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    Re: Bailout plan rejected

    fuck it. I'm cool with where this is going. Fuck these assholes staying rich, because that's what all this is about. We can all be poor together. And they need to throw these CEO faggots in jail.

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    Re: Bailout plan rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by ...Opey... View Post
    fuck it. I'm cool with where this is going. Fuck these assholes staying rich, because that's what all this is about. We can all be poor together. And they need to throw these CEO faggots in jail.
    co-signed.
    Been a real one.

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    Re: Bailout plan rejected

    rofl @ the Mccain camp trying to blame Obama and the rest of the democrats for the bailout not going through... even though more Dems voted for it that republicans.
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    Re: Bailout plan rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by RXL View Post
    word?..i was thinking bout heading over seas as well...

    maybe back to Puerto Rico
    V/ everyone on RB pools there money together and buys an island, and we spend all our time farming rice and weaving baskets to sell to Chinese tourists.
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    Re: Bailout plan rejected

    we'd need to buy a giant black board so i could still ban people from posting on something

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    Re: Bailout plan rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by RXL View Post
    we'd need to buy a giant black board so i could still ban people from posting on something
    What we'll do is mine gold, gold flakes are in black sand concentrate, black sand concentrate is basically pure iron. We will melt all that down to fit our tool needs, and hoard as much gold as possible. We will have lots of regular sand where that we will use to talk in with sticks because it would be too weird to actually talk together. With this form of communication, the number 1 medical problem will be having an eye poked out with Dyces penis.
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    Re: Bailout plan rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by FriendlyAlbanian View Post
    What we'll do is mine gold, gold flakes are in black sand concentrate, black sand concentrate is basically pure iron. We will melt all that down to fit our tool needs, and hoard as much gold as possible. We will have lots of regular sand where that we will use to talk in with sticks because it would be too weird to actually talk together. With this form of communication, the number 1 medical problem will be having an eye poked out with Dyces penis.
    well that's a simple fix well just chop it up into pieces...

    or he can live on his own peninsula with bebe a few yards off the beach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RXL View Post
    well that's a simple fix well just chop it up into pieces...

    or he can live on his own peninsula with bebe a few yards off the beach.
    We'll have you on the mainland recruiting hoes. I'll obviously be John Locke battling dinosaurs and polar bears with a knife, all we need is a romantic disenfranchised Doctor and were set.
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    Re: Bailout plan rejected

    shit...chris...he'll have an evil backstory of falling in love and killing the women after..

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    Re: Bailout plan rejected

    Quote Originally Posted by RXL View Post
    shit...chris...he'll have an evil backstory of falling in love and killing the women after..
    Chris/Kain will be the Benjamin Lionus, they won't be invited to the party they'll start coming out of the mist and kidnapping all babies and pregnent women, and when we finally catch up to them they'll be the only ones that can ironically save us when a group of evil mercenaries come to burn us all down.
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