You didn't pay the $75? Your house can burn then.

Lol, this is ridiculous.

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Firefighters in rural Tennessee let a home burn to the ground last week because the homeowner hadn't paid a $75 fee.

Gene Cranick of Obion County and his family lost all of their possessions in the Sept. 29 fire, along with three dogs and a cat.

"They could have been saved if they had put water on it, but they didn't do it," Cranick told MSNBC's Keith Olbermann.

The fire started when the Cranicks' grandson was burning trash near the family home. As it grew out of control, the Cranicks called 911, but the fire department from the nearby city of South Fulton would not respond.

"We wasn't on their list," he said the operators told him.

Cranick, who lives outside the city limits, admits he "forgot" to pay the annual $75 fee. The county does not have a county-wide firefighting service, but South Fulton offers fire coverage to rural residents for a fee.

Cranick says he told the operator he would pay whatever is necessary to have the fire put out.

His offer wasn't accepted, he said.

The fire fee policy dates back 20 or so years.

"Anybody that's not inside the city limits of South Fulton, it's a service we offer. Either they accept it or they don't," said South Fulton Mayor David Crocker.

Firefighters did eventually show up, but only to fight the fire on the neighboring property, whose owner had paid the fee.

"They put water out on the fence line out here. They never said nothing to me. Never acknowledged. They stood out here and watched it burn," Cranick said.

South Fulton's mayor said that the fire department can't let homeowners pay the fee on the spot, because the only people who would pay would be those whose homes are on fire.

Cranick, who is now living in a trailer on his property, says his insurance policy will help cover some of his lost home.

"Insurance is going to pay for what money I had on the policy, looks like. But like everything else, I didn't have enough."

Cranick's case has not only sparked debate over the annual fee policy but strong emotions. WPSD-TV, an NBC affiliate in Paducah, Ky., reported that South Fulton police arrested one of Cranick's sons, Timothy Allen Cranick, on an aggravated assault charge after the Sept. 29 blaze.

Police told WPSD that the younger Cranick was upset firefighters weren't putting out the fire and attacked the South Fulton Fire Chief David Wilds back at the firehouse. WPSD-TV reported that Wilds was treated and released and will recover.

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W-O-W.

This is why the government is wickawicka wack. lmao at arresting his son though, he better have went to seek retribution for this. This shit is principle here. This is nothing but straight up extortion...they need to burn that whole fuckin town down.

Edit: Ry gimme a link to that, I wanna post that somewhere else.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39516346...ife/?gt1=43001

There ya go, man.

Yeah this is ridiculous. Over $75. I understand it's a "Service" but fuck, what if his kids were inside that house? Would they still have just let it burn? Like what the fuck.

Word, thats just fucked up so many levels. thanks for the link.

lol this is close to my school actually. like 30 mins if that.

South Fulton's mayor said that the fire department can't let homeowners pay the fee on the spot, because the only people who would pay would be those whose homes are on fire.

Lol... damn that is pretty hilarious... sucks for that guy though, ruined.

that's not hilarious. that's called simple logic.

it is actually pretty hilarious considering the redneck town you live in makes people pay an annual fee just to get any kind of service out of the fuckin fire department, paid your fee?

i dont live in a redneck town lol. i live in a college town.. because i attend college.. i'm glad i'm talking to an idiot though. before you made broad assumptions to make your point valid i was afraid you might actually be able to present a viable argument. but you're a moron obviously lol.

and you pay for the same service idiot. it's called city tax lol. the guy lived in the middle of no where beyond any city limits therefore needed to pay a simple 75$ fee to use the services that YOU pay for yearly as well.

the entire thing might be hilarious. but what you quoted and laughed at was simple reasoning lol. if they allowed it then none of those people WOULD pay it unless they NEEDED it. but i guess you don't even realize that you pay for the same services everytime you pay taxes. unless you are a worthless person who still lives in your mom's basement. then she probably pays for it.

A fee for emergency services seems retarded.

just saying... you live where the chupacabras thrive man
i wasn't really laughing at the overall story just at the simple
fact that mayor mccheese was such a dick about it and no
sir i live in a urban area i do not pay such fees you speak of

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Originally Posted by Caesar Augustus™

A fee for emergency services seems retarded.

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not really. how else are the people performing these services gonna receive payment ?

if you get shot and an ambulance picks you up to rush you to the ICU are you not billed for even the ambulance ride ?

i'm not saying that them watching the guy's house burn down was awful and i'm sure there's gonna be something done due to national media attention.

but the process of paying for services is not retarded nor flawed. it's economics ya know.

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Originally Posted by Elevate Lyrically Fuck It

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nice fail sir.

that is fucked up, over 75 dollars too, mother fuckers, that is just straight up retarded.

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Originally Posted by Jesus Chris

i dont live in a redneck town lol. i live in a college town.. because i attend college.. i'm glad i'm talking to an idiot though. before you made broad assumptions to make your point valid i was afraid you might actually be able to present a viable argument. but you're a moron obviously lol.

and you pay for the same service idiot. it's called city tax lol. the guy lived in the middle of no where beyond any city limits therefore needed to pay a simple 75$ fee to use the services that YOU pay for yearly as well.

the entire thing might be hilarious. but what you quoted and laughed at was simple reasoning lol. if they allowed it then none of those people WOULD pay it unless they NEEDED it. but i guess you don't even realize that you pay for the same services everytime you pay taxes. unless you are a worthless person who still lives in your mom's basement. then she probably pays for it.

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You are referring to two different things.
Tax (from the Latin taxo; "I estimate", which in turn is from tangō; "I touch") is to impose a financial charge or other levy upon a taxpayer (an individual or legal entity) by a state or the functional equivalent of a state such that failure to pay is punishable by law.

A fee is the price one pays as remuneration for services. Fees usually allow for overhead, wages, costs, and markup.

It really depends where you live. For instance, in Pennsylvania you pay Federal, State and Local municipality or towns/township. In addition to this you also pay a tax to the school.

It also states that simply because he is rural he is not receiving these services. In these small towns most if not all have volunteer fire stations. I won't even touch on the fact about how much money they raise elsewhere. I checked, South Fulton has 2100 people. It does not say if they in fact pay for this service, however based on something else I found I'm quite sure its made up in other areas. There is a whole file about this place.

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Originally Posted by 11 Alive News Atlanta

City property taxes are up 93 percent.

There's one other thing that explains their acceptance: the mayor, the city manager, and most of the city council is working for free.

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Ok so whats wrong with this picture? Where is the money going? I could bat around theories all day but its irrelevant to the fact here. How are you going to work for a town that has an obligation to be an infrastructure and order that does not serve its people? I realize the person lived out of the city limits- also irrelavent. That person lives in the county, the state the US. They are people we put in charge to enlist a standard. You bet your ass the police would show up if they were called to an ongoing crime. Why? They are basically saying to them you have to pay a fee to be part of our society so why should law enforcement go there and enforce THEIR laws? This is a place where we as citizens are obligated to abide by standards and not expect something as simple as help to put out a fire that in no means the homeowner has any way of putting out? That isn't right. I don't feel like saying anything else.

i fail to see where we are talking about different things lol. you just elaborated on what "tax" means.. you presented no new information. if anything.. thanks for backing up my point.

and i have friends who are volunteer fire fighters. tax money pays for their cloths, food, lodging (when needed), fire trucks, etc etc.

how is that the same thing lol ? obviously that 75$ would have went to the exact same things i.e.: cloths, fire trucks, equipment, etc.

they may not receive a pay check for it. but the tax payer is still paying them.

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Originally Posted by Jesus Chris

not really. how else are the people performing these services gonna receive payment ?

if you get shot and an ambulance picks you up to rush you to the ICU are you not billed for even the ambulance ride ?

i'm not saying that them watching the guy's house burn down was awful and i'm sure there's gonna be something done due to national media attention.

but the process of paying for services is not retarded nor flawed. it's economics ya know.

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usually taxes, I mean damn if they want to have payment for riding beyond the city limits instead of and optional fee they could be a tax of something I just don't think calling the fire dept and having them say "your name not on a list so fuck you" is good policy. They have to figure out a way to make a better system than that.

I dont know man.I could say continue on but the real question is, how do you feel as a volunteer who has the chance, I mean especially being so close to help at the neighbors spot and knowingly sit there and not try to help. You are volunteering to save lives and you are just going to sit there and not doing anything about? What happened to honor or being a patriot? We have to be told what to do based on something although very much necessary, pretty irrelevant of a debate over the price of a life. Possessions? I understand, those material things can be replaced. This is an issue of morals, of being people, of doing to someone else what you would want done to you. Its pathetic we live in a bureaucracy that puts restrictions on what really matters in the face of getting a paycheck. This is just disgusting. I am going to write an article on it.

yeah, but i dont have to pay a fee for them to come all the way to my house because its right up the street i know that taxes in general goes to what they need but that fee was extra so its not necessary for me to pay it because it all already gets paid with taxes

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Originally Posted by Elevate Lyrically Fuck It

yeah, but i dont have to pay a fee for them to come all the way to my house because its right up the street i know that taxes in general goes to what they need but that fee was extra so its not necessary for me to pay it because it all already gets paid with taxes

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Do you even know what you're saying? Lmao. You're making zero sense.

It doesn't matter if you live right up the street from the Fire Station. If you pay taxes, you ARE paying for the service of the Fire Dept. They may not label it as a separate tax or fee where you live, but you're still paying it.

The reason they labeled it as a "fee" for this guy in TN was because he didn't live in any township. He was in the middle of nowhere, thus, he wouldn't necessarily pay city taxes. (I don't think. Correct me if I'm wrong, someone.) So it's a "fee" for him..for you, it's just thrown in with your taxes.

What I'm saying is they should just take the damn Tax out of those peoples taxes or MAKE them pay it, this is bullshit. If you are too poor your sit will burn, if you forget to pay the fee your shit will burn if its the only fire dept they should just force ppl to pay it if the other option is they just will watch your shit burn

Yea ummm.. didnt pay my FD fee...
But I pay about 9% tax on every single fuckin thing I buy every damn day.
I also pay taxes every March, so after about $7,000-$8,000 a year..
Put some gotdamn water on my house please..

WOW 9%? thats high as fuck and I thought MD was expensive.

Phoenix is a beautiful city, lots of statues, city lights, spotless freeways.. a very unique desert city and the shit aint free; First time in my life I paid tax on my rent.

$550/mo Rent.... $50/mo Tax

Lmao @ Firefighters coming only to save the neighbor.

Ceaser a city cannot tax anyone beyond the city limits.


And for the first time since I've been on this site I agree with Quo on something.

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Originally Posted by Mic Dareall

Ceaser a city cannot tax anyone beyond the city limits.


And for the first time since I've been on this site I agree with Quo on something.

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I'm not saying I do not understand it, I understand why they say they wouldn't come out. I however Don't think its a good idea to have an emergency service you only provide to some people if they pay a fee in advance. All I'm saying is there has to be a better way.

maybe a state tax or something. I would be pissed if the police wouldn't stop someone from robbing my house or raping my wife cause they didn't get their check in the mail.

If someone missed paying the 75$ payment for emergency services, but still phoned 911 in the state of an emergency, they should just increase the payment that person has to pay significantly.

Hell, they could've asked him to pay 1000$ in return for their service at that time and it would've saved the house and all those pets...

I feel like that would be a much better way to work it, obviously people would want to pay the 75 bones instead of having to pay a significanlty higher amount in the midst of an emergency.

those firefighters and others are dicks.

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Originally Posted by Caesar Augustus™

I'm not saying I do not understand it, I understand why they say they wouldn't come out. I however Don't think its a good idea to have an emergency service you only provide to some people if they pay a fee in advance. All I'm saying is there has to be a better way.

maybe a state tax or something. I would be pissed if the police wouldn't stop someone from robbing my house or raping my wife cause they didn't get their check in the mail.

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I'd hate the idea of putting more shit from local government in the control of state

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Originally Posted by Proper Grammar

If someone missed paying the 75$ payment for emergency services, but still phoned 911 in the state of an emergency, they should just increase the payment that person has to pay significantly.

Hell, they could've asked him to pay 1000$ in return for their service at that time and it would've saved the house and all those pets...

I feel like that would be a much better way to work it, obviously people would want to pay the 75 bones instead of having to pay a significanlty higher amount in the midst of an emergency.

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^ Thats a better alternative.

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Originally Posted by Mic Dareall

I'd hate the idea of putting more shit from local government in the control of state


^ Thats a better alternative.

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Anything would be better than the current system.

Well, theoretically, polic officers and fire fighters are paid through the tax payer anyway, so basically fuck their fee, I pay fee's everyday.

Bring Johnny Cochrine back to life and sue the fuck out of them... hehe

this is just terrible..
it comes down to your morals and overall your responsiblilty not as a city offical, or a firefighter, etc...
its a responsibility as a human being!

Right..Like, they went to the neighbors' because they paid the fee. To put out a grass fire. Then they sat and watched a house burn down..I don't know if they already knew everyone was out or not.

But if I'm a firefighter, already close enough to watch a house burn down just because they didn't pay their fee..I'm going to say fuck that and go help anyway. That's just a shitty human being.

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Originally Posted by Mic Dareall

I'd hate the idea of putting more shit from local government in the control of state


^ Thats a better alternative.

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Yeah I think it would work a lot better that way. I mean the firefighting service didn't get anything from the situation but some bad media attention. If the guy instead paid a larger fee to them in return for service so abruptly at least then they would get some money out of it and the house would've possibly survived.

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Originally Posted by RyanH

Right..Like, they went to the neighbors' because they paid the fee. To put out a grass fire. Then they sat and watched a house burn down..I don't know if they already knew everyone was out or not.

But if I'm a firefighter, already close enough to watch a house burn down just because they didn't pay their fee..I'm going to say fuck that and go help anyway. That's just a shitty human being.

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Thats what I brought up in my class today when I had to talk about something. The fact that they are volunteering and still be dictated by red tap as far as them being able to help or not. A single person who has no physical way of putting the fire out, completely helpless. Over what a few dollars? If i was a firefighter standing there and someone said you cant do shit becasue of money and there was people in there then yes I would go and say fuck them. Its a volunteer fucking position and there has to be involuntary stipulations? smh. to me its not even about his material possessions as much as the possible lives that could be at stake. I still think its fucked up they just watched it burn even if they knew people were out of it.