any of yall make any money making graphics?
if so how much?
im just wondering Im always curious about that type of shit.
Im using cs4 design premium
I do it as a hobby but I wanna start charging cuz......why not?
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any of yall make any money making graphics?
if so how much?
im just wondering Im always curious about that type of shit.
Im using cs4 design premium
I do it as a hobby but I wanna start charging cuz......why not?
not much..make a few sites and thing here and there....few graphic contests....
10's of Thousands.. you have to be decent though, from your last drop you should stop thinking about money.
I'm at college, studying graphics then hopefully going on to be a qualified designer :).
There's easier money to be made in real estate.
A formal qualifacation isn't everything, there's kids in my class that can't design for shit and will never get a job. But they will still pass the course.
I've been using photoshop and image ready for 6 years lol moved onto flash recently and starting to get the hang of programming now. So I'd say I could design tbh but who knows, opinions are opinions.
I put those together in minutes and I don't do it for money it's a hobby
It all depends on the clients needs. Doing small websites isnt where the money is at. You need to work with partners to get the real cash. Usually it works best when one person is the artist, one person is a php/javascript/sql guru, and one person is the publisher/promoter. Everybody is essential to the job, nobody is more important than the other. When you can find a good team and everybody understands what their job is, you can really get good websites going. A very good example is
http://www.24-7media.de
I agree with the above statement to an extent but that link, 24 media, is the type of designers I hate. In fact they are NOT web designers or developers at all, they are graphic artists and nothing else. If they were online marketers or programmers then they would understand why the all flash work they do is pretty but in all actuality is shit work. There is no thought given to usuability, SEO or page load. Those are sorry excuses for developers that seem to use flash even when flash shouldn't be used, probably to cover their lack of actual development skills.
I agree with the above statement. Photoshop is only the door, to get thru the door you will need a key. That key is the key to life.
Thats guestures, he talks out of his ass for no other reason then amusing himself.
Flash is getting more and more usable though, you can also incorporate some seo in the underlying code if you actually know what your doing. Regardless there is still huge elements of website design even in flash designing.. content placement, making your layout flexible enough to fit any possible future content. Yes, there are some elements in the websites they've designed that could be done with code, reducing page load times.
There is some great design in their portfolio, I hate how just because something isn't in a 3 column layout 'developers'.. try say it's not design. Nothing gives me more pleasure when it comes to design than looking at www.designcharts.com
Though personally I only use flash for elements of my websites, not the whole thing.. I stay by valid code and web standards.
1. Flash is far from SEO at all. Adobe has released an app to search engines that extracts some text, and some links from Flash swf files, strips all formatting of both, removes the data from the context it was placed in and throws them together into a basically what can be compared to a paragraph. That is far from search engine optimized.
2.Having everypage of your site in a single flash file also stops search engines from being able to index your site like a regular site, Period. Keeping single pages of websites to a single topic or giving focus to a certain elements allows search engines to index different pages of your site for different key words and content, That cannot happen when all the content of your site is lumped into a single flash file. The search engines have NO idea what content is important.
3. There are tricks to get around both and they do nothing to increase SEO in that regard.
4. Half of the sites I looked at in there portfolio, even though its a single flash file, have loading screens when you click a link to show another section of the site which means that more then likely they are loading the content dynamically.. Do you understand what that means for SEO? It means NONE of that content is seen by search engines.
4. Half of the sites in their portfolio have absolutely no relevant meta tags let alone any other SEO.
I think you need to study up a little more on web development if you seriously think people that do the shit they do can be considered web developers as they ignore 75% of what a real web designer should focus on when designing a site.
Web development is not just about putting shit on a page and making it look good.
Regardless of what they do and how they do it, they're making serious cash. As far as I'm concerned, that's all that matters. I'd be happy to make an entire site in flash if I get paid shitloads of money for it, whether its standard and google can crawl it or not. Show me the money and I'm happy.
Who cares, did I reply to you when you replied about how much money they make the first time?
My statements were towards Seyance talking about flash being 'SEO if you know what your doing' and I was saying exactly what they are doing that is NOT SEO. And about how you really can't optimize a site with just flash.
And now that I look at that site you linked to Seyence, take a look at this link from that site...
http://www.soft.se/
^That is an example of a full flash site built with SEO and usability in mind. And for the record it has nothing to do with '3 column layouts'. If you can't understand the difference between that site and the ones that other site has in their portfolio then you shouldn't even be commenting on it.
that's a sick ass page.
I said 'some SEO' can be done, which you've also stated.. I never said that SEO could be produced and input on the level of a CSS website. You've just gone off in a rant, if you actually read what I've said you'll understand that.
Regardless of everything you said, there is STILL some very nice design work in their portfolio. This is just a case of developers claiming to be designers and seeing work that's better and getting jealous, so nitpicking. You can question my 'knowledge' all you want, but it's just a cheap ploy to make yourself feel better for getting gassed up.
Guess what dipshit, I agree there is some nice 'GRAPHIC DESIGN' work in their portfolio, thats why I called them Graphic Artists. But, just because you make something look pretty doesn't mean you know about web development.
And lol@ the 'developer' who thinks their a designer. Have you paid attention to any of the shit Ive said on this forum about my work idiot? I know my limits as a designer dipshit, I know when I can't handle a task and I have graphic designers that will work for me. If I had some 'grudge' against designers then why would I point out that site as a great example of a full flash site. Web design is more then just making something look pretty but you don't seem to get it?
And I question your knowledge because you are talking out of your ass. You seem to think that web development is all about how a site looks and its not. Let me give you some advice young padawon, instead of defending people who are 'GREAT' graphic artists with no clue about actual web development, how about you actually learn about what makes them graphic artists and NOT web developers because it will make you a better developer in the long run as it seems thats what you want to be.
this convo needs more fluidity
And for the record YOU CANNOT optimize a site for search engines using flash alone as I have said a couple times now. Quit saying 'some SEO'. NO, its some what search engine friendly now, nowhere near a level to where it alone can be optimized for search engines. It still takes javascript/xhtml/css workarounds to optimize a flash site for search engines.
mic do you own your own design company?
do you have a site?
Yes and Yes, but no I will not post a link. Why? Because I like to keep my business and personal shit seperate, the last thing I need is someone from here getting pissed off at shit I say and attempting to fuck with my business relationships because of it
**cough** JJ**cough**
Only one person from this site has ever seen the professional work I have done and It will stay that way.
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Word that's def best
Sorry, I don't make a habit of following your posts around the forum. From the start I stated how I actually design, I think it's you whose taken this all to heart and decided to get pissy without actually reading anything properly. I follow web standards and use proper SEO.. the only thing I've questioned here is your opinion that flash designers arn't actual website designers.
And I never said you can do it alone with flash.. that would be stupid, quit getting so mad and actually read.
You do realize that you replied to me getting pissy from the start right babygirl? That I made a statement and you replied using terms like 'hate'. And I keep pointing out how you are wrong and instead of addressing anything I say you come back in an attempt to insult me over and over. Now I wonder why you do that? Couldn't be because you have absolutely no understanding of web development yourself beyond maybe some basic HTML...
lol.. So are you now attempting to say that you can do 'some SEO' for flash based sites as long as you use xhtml, css and javascript? Because if you are that is even more idiotic then your statements that you can do 'some SEO' in just flash. You can pretty much fully optimize a site for search engines by using techniques in the other languages, not do 'some SEO'. And you CANNOT do 'some SEO' in just flash files, so yeah pretty much your just a fucking dipshit trying to jumpship on your own idiotic statements by making even more idiotic statements.Quote:
And I never said you can do it alone with flash.. that would be stupid, quit getting so mad and actually read.
I shouldn't of expected something else, from a web developer.. y'all wish you had design talent. You can keep questioning my knowledge, but the fact I've been working wit professional clients for 6 years, fluent in html, xhtml, css, javascript, ruby on rails, perl and some forms of php.. aswell as being a finalist for the d&ad student design award. Which means I'm one of the best young designers in the country.. means me > you, lol.
What is it with silly little faggots like you? Morons that are so obsessed with wanting people to think you know about something that it is more then obvious you have absolutely no understanding of. Seriously, is your life so pathetic that you need to come online and try to impress people by telling lies?
I am seriously in aww of you and others like you on this site lately. You are obviously talking out of your ass and cannot refute anything I say. I can show you blogs from google developers themselves backing up everything I have said in this thread. Instead of just admitting you really don't have a grasp on what your attempting to talk about, you try to side step any straight forward statements I have made about the technology in question. Your a fucking goofball.
I think Im just going to start banning idiots like you from now on. Yup yup, thats how Im going to start handling dipshits like you from now on.
You've no reason to ban me, cept the fact your crying a river of tears.
Again, ignore the relevant portion of my statement....lol..
Oh well.. banned
Well, if we're talking about side-stepping it's something you were doing this whole conversation. Not to mention the fact you lacked the intelligence to read my posts properly and gather the information you needed to understand what I was talking about. Not to mention I've just been winding you up from the start, knowing the kind've person you obviously were.. and knowing how to easily press those buttons!
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Lol. Mic, C'mon. Banning people for arguing?
good call
blow me Chris
not good enough to have me grace it by logging in